Time to downgrade. Find me a car 2012+ under 15K.

"RotaryLover" (rotarylover) 10/11/2014 at 10:02 • Filed to: None

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Still ok financially, but I still need something that makes MUCH less noise on the highway and has space. I'm looking at Fiat 500 sports right now. 2012s are quite cheap and I found one that comes with brand new tires and winter tires too for cheap. I would like to stretch it to a 2013 with a turbo but it's still to see. What do you think of them? Any other cars that I shall look at?

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:05

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Golf or Sportwagen TDI!!! (With 3 pedals of course)

jkm7680 > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:07

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2012-Ish Jetta, Just an example down there. But they are cheap, reliable and look pretty good with minimal effort.

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/cto/470460…

My citroen won't start > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:09

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Fiat 500 and has space, cannot compute.

Probably just a just a bit above your budget + luxury and quiet.

RotaryLover > jkm7680 10/11/2014 at 10:09

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Yeah saw them. Good thing is that they get heated seats with minimal mileage and a ridiculous price! I'll check them out.

fhrblig > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:11

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Winter tires will be helpful, for sure. I have a 2012 Fiat 500 Sport, and the stock tires are not good in the snow. I do love it, though. I got mine earlier this year. It had 14k on it and was only $12k. And now that my schedule at work changed just enough to keep me out of both rush hours, I'm getting over 40 mpg regularly.

RotaryLover > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 10/11/2014 at 10:12

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Found this. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camion…

RotaryLover > My citroen won't start 10/11/2014 at 10:13

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WAY OVER!

My citroen won't start > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:14

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Yeah, I just checked 17k and 60+k miles. Back to the search!

RotaryLover > fhrblig 10/11/2014 at 10:15

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I wanted to ask you something about it. I test drove one lately and I feel that the clutch is lifeless...same for the steering. It has a "Vague" feel when you start turning it. Is it because I didn't press the Sport button?

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > My citroen won't start 10/11/2014 at 10:15

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You forgot it's also very slow. Might not be a problem if their commute is always in traffic, but it is not going to excite anyone who enjoys speed.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:16

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GODDAMN cars are expensive up in Canuckistan! My 2011 is only worth $14k at most... however that car would probably be fine (as long as you got some bigger wheels, bleh those stock ones are puny!)

RotaryLover > My citroen won't start 10/11/2014 at 10:16

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17k???? That's interesting. Let me check it out in my area.

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > jkm7680 10/11/2014 at 10:16

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Ooh, a 5 cyl as well.

RotaryLover > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 10/11/2014 at 10:19

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But the Fiat's styling and equipment takes the cake lol

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > fhrblig 10/11/2014 at 10:19

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Keep in mind in Quebec winter tires are mandatory so for them to be included is a huge plus.

fhrblig > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:19

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My understanding is that the Sport button will make the steering heavier. I've never used it, though. The steering seems good to me, but my last vehicle was a base Ford Ranger so after that, most cars would seem like a major improvement. The clutch in my Fiat is light, but I wouldn't say it's vague. Have you driven more than one of them?

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:20

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Subarus????

Jayhawk Jake > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:21

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I have to do my part in recommending a Chevy Sonic. You could probably get a 2012 LT or LTZ with the 1.4T for cheap, then get a $200 tune for Abarth like power.

Also I'd recommend a 2010 or newer Kia Forte. Surprisingly good cars, and they're Kia's so they've depreciated nicely. For more space look at a Soul

My citroen won't start > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:22

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Other options I'd say are Volvo C30 or 2011 Audi A3 with low mileage.

RotaryLover > fhrblig 10/11/2014 at 10:24

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Just one. Maybe it was a bad apple, i'll try others. Too bad because it was really nice in blue!

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:24

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I've seen leftover 2012 Fiat 500 Pop's in Edmonton for $10,700.00 with only 60km's on them(there was 2 to choose from a black and a light brown). that price was ridiculously low. at the time I was driving a Challenger SRT8 so I couldn't afford it but now I would love to have bought one. this was last year tho.

The Fiat has no space but is really a fun car to drive and really economical I still think of getting one for the wife eventually.

RotaryLover > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 10/11/2014 at 10:24

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All auto...

RotaryLover > Jayhawk Jake 10/11/2014 at 10:26

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I knew the Sonic was coming lol. Looking at them too. Kia Forte...never thought about them.

fhrblig > My citroen won't start 10/11/2014 at 10:26

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Actually, I feel a LOT less cramped in my Fiat than I did in my Ranger, and I'm a big fat American.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:26

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Willing to go back another year?

RotaryLover > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 10/11/2014 at 10:27

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I seen them...but why buy a pop when for 1-2k you get the sport model fully equiped? lol

fhrblig > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 10/11/2014 at 10:28

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I would have loved for mine to have come with snow tires. I'm going to have to soldier through this winter but I'm going to start saving for some steelies and a set of winter tires.

mcseanerson > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:28

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Me and Clay were talking aabout this ththe other day. It's amazing how much cheaper used abarths are in the States. Easily would meet your criteria down here.

Jayhawk Jake > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:28

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I had a 2011 Koup, it was great. Mine was fully loaded, I bet you could get one like it for $13k now. Leather, heated seats, nav, sunroof. They're basically more attractive Honda Civics for less money

fhrblig > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:31

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That's what I have, blue. The only warranty claims I've had to make have all been related to fit and finish/build quality. Trim, windows, seatback release, etc. I've gotten them all done when I get the oil changed. None of them were that annoying.

RotaryLover > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 10/11/2014 at 10:31

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I kinda hate them lol

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:32

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THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME

My citroen won't start > fhrblig 10/11/2014 at 10:32

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I meant space as in luggage and stuff to carry. 500's are really spacious passenger wise.

RotaryLover > mcseanerson 10/11/2014 at 10:32

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I could find one for 17K here. But it's not for me yet lol.

RotaryLover > fhrblig 10/11/2014 at 10:34

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Good to know. I seen some horror stories on the Fiat 500 USA forum...it kinda scared me away. But the car is so attractive...

RotaryLover > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 10/11/2014 at 10:35

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Well now you know! LOL!

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:35

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I agree the Sport is a better overall value but you can't argue the appeal of a $10,000 brand new car which reminds me, Have you checked out the Micra? I've sat in one and I'm a pretty big guy and I was plenty comfortable more so than the Fiat 500.

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/2015-nissan-mi…

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:36

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I don't have anything else to offer...

My citroen won't start > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 10/11/2014 at 10:38

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Similar straight line performance as the 500 sport, higher top speed and boring handling. It isn't that slow, but yeah, not a drivers car.

deekster_caddy > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:40

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Look for a '12 Volt! You'll love the gas milage and the used market it pretty tough, meaning as a buyer it's good. I bet you could get real close to $15k and your fuel costs will plummet!

RotaryLover > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 10/11/2014 at 10:42

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I actually thought about it. But the interior feels...bleah. It's nice but bleah...

RotaryLover > deekster_caddy 10/11/2014 at 10:46

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Lowest a found was 22k...

dogisbadob > jkm7680 10/11/2014 at 10:48

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Jetta? Reliable?

dogisbadob > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:48

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You can probably get an Abarth in your budget. There's also the Dodge Dart which is a 4-door Abarth with a muffler.

But you're probably better off with a Fit or Civic because they're better cars.

What do you have now that's too loud and doesn't have space?

RotaryLover > dogisbadob 10/11/2014 at 10:52

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NC Miata with a Magnaflow exhaust...

Makoyouidiot > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 10:52

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As the owner of a 12 500 sport...no regrets, love it, would buy again it it blew up.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 11:02

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You could probably find a Sonic for that much. Bigger than the 500 and better looking IMO. Just make sure it's a 1.4T.

dogisbadob > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 11:08

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If you're in Canada, there's the Micra. Awesome car at a GREAT price that we can't get down here :(

Does the B-class depreciate a lot? Because maybe then you could consider it.

You could also get a brand new Mazda 2.

RotaryLover > dogisbadob 10/11/2014 at 11:11

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I loved the Mazda 2! But the interior...sucks. Same for the Micra. Great materials tho.

Tohru > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 11:13

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A 2013 with a turbo under $15k in da Great White Nort'?

Chevy Cruze.

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camion…

Or you could get this 2012 for $10k.

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camion…

RotaryLover > Tohru 10/11/2014 at 11:18

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Or this! http://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camion…

PS9 > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 11:20

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You live in canada right? I think the choice is pretty obvious.

Pretty sure it existed in 2012. That counts, right?

RotaryLover > PS9 10/11/2014 at 11:21

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They got rebanned in Quebec lol.

PS9 > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 11:23

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THEN MOVE! Damn, do I have to think of everything?

dogisbadob > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 11:28

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Well then the Fit is probably your best choice.

RotaryLover > dogisbadob 10/11/2014 at 11:30

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I found none at my price range that are manual...found a bunch of Civics tho.

Vicente Esteve > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 11:52

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I found a couple options. They don't quite fit the criteria exactly, but are cool nevertheless.

1. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/…

2. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/…

3. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/…

4. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/…

5. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/… (This has Mustang Wheels)

6. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/…

7. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/…

8. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/…

9. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/…

10. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/…

BJ > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 12:20

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AutoTrader.ca has 54 2012+ Mazda 3s w/manual transmissions in a 100 km radius of Montreal: http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/cars/mazda/maz…

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 12:23

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Ha too loud! lol. I have an 03 Miata with only a straight through performance muffler on it. Also its my DD

jkm7680 > dogisbadob 10/11/2014 at 12:36

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Believe it or not, the new enough Jetta is pretty reliable.

gabdere > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 12:37

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Downgrade from what? I have not been here in a while! Anyways...

this is a YES http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/Volkswagen/G…

deekster_caddy > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 13:17

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Wow, even for a high milage '12? So far no battery/range issues coming up, even on the higher milage units. I would expect there to be something in the mid-teens. I can't get 22K for my '13 with 27000 on it.

dogisbadob > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 13:18

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The Civic is a good car too :)

RotaryLover > dogisbadob 10/11/2014 at 13:23

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It's a civic...

RotaryLover > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 10/11/2014 at 13:24

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I was gonna live with it. But man it's getting me tired. I can't even speak with my girl properly without yelling...

RotaryLover > gabdere 10/11/2014 at 13:26

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Wow! This looks seriously good!!!

RotaryLover > deekster_caddy 10/11/2014 at 13:27

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Here they are worth a lot! Everything in Quebec is expensive because of the double taxes :(

RotaryLover > BJ 10/11/2014 at 13:28

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I had a Mazda 3 before...I want something else.

deekster_caddy > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 13:29

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Oh, that's 22K CA, not 22K US?!!? Okay!

RotaryLover > Vicente Esteve 10/11/2014 at 13:30

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Kinda like the volks there. I'll check them out.

dogisbadob > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 13:49

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OK fine, how about a Corolla or Yaris?

Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 13:49

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Sorry for disregarding your 2012 requirement but..

dogisbadob > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 13:49

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ooooo body color door handles and black trim! I haven't seen that on a 500 yet!

RotaryLover > deekster_caddy 10/11/2014 at 13:56

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hahhahahaha quite the difference eh?

RotaryLover > dogisbadob 10/11/2014 at 13:58

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Maybe a Yaris. I'll check it.

RotaryLover > Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager 10/11/2014 at 13:58

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Gas mileage....but I should not talk. I wanted a Rx8 lol!

RotaryLover > dogisbadob 10/11/2014 at 14:00

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Maybe because it's a 2014 lol.

Manuél Ferrari > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 14:16

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2012 requirement is invalid

Get an E36 M3 for $6000 with plenty if monies to spare for repairs!

Tohru > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 14:34

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It's a lot of car for the money. Cruze's are generally well-built and they've been selling remarkably well.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 16:57

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Your supposed to talk to you gf? crap i knew i was doing something wrong.... lol jk.

yea mine is loud on acceleration but put it on cruise and it doesnt bother me at all

RotaryLover > Manuél Ferrari 10/11/2014 at 21:52

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I need financing lol. I don't wanna end up with a bad credit.

RotaryLover > Tohru 10/11/2014 at 21:53

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I do have an issue with the design....

RotaryLover > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 10/11/2014 at 21:55

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Well not only that, the harshness is getting on my nerves. It's not a relaxing ride on the highway.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 21:57

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Awww man im such the opposite. If a car is quiet i cant stand it lol

RotaryLover > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 10/11/2014 at 22:01

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That's why the RX8 R3 was perfect. Silent when not pushed, but once you press the gas you hear the difference on the exhaust and only in the rear! On the Miata you hear the sound EVERYWHERE, in front, under you, behind you. It's too much.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 22:02

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Butterfly valve is what you want

Tohru > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 22:28

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Yeah, me too - the HVAC knob rubs on your kneecap while driving. Who does that?

Manuél Ferrari > RotaryLover 10/11/2014 at 23:54

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ah I see. There needs to be a financing program for near classic sports cars!

RotaryLover > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 10/12/2014 at 19:09

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Good idea there! Annnnddd I gotta check if I have a leak on the exhaust somewhere.

RotaryLover > Tohru 10/12/2014 at 19:10

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GM does. *Troll dance*

RotaryLover > Manuél Ferrari 10/12/2014 at 19:15

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Dude, the cars that I would get if I could! Lotus Elan!!!!!

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > RotaryLover 10/12/2014 at 19:44

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Well my heat shields are rattling so im pretty annoyed at mine right now

RotaryLover > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 10/12/2014 at 20:02

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Same lol! But only at the cold start.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > RotaryLover 10/12/2014 at 20:06

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yea is worst then but i can hear it some other times. Luckily the shop that did my exhaust is great and is looking at it for free

RotaryLover > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 10/12/2014 at 20:08

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Lucky you...I gotta take a trip to the dealer. Unless I get something else first lol.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > RotaryLover 10/12/2014 at 20:10

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fucking dealers

RotaryLover > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 10/12/2014 at 20:15

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It's better sometimes...I have yet to see an independent that does things right.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > RotaryLover 10/12/2014 at 20:16

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Ah i know some good ones locally. Dealers prices are just insane

FromTheBackSeat > RotaryLover 10/12/2014 at 21:25

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I laughed when you said you need space, then followed with Fiat 500. If you're willing to dip below your 2012, I did a quick autotrader (all of US, which I assume you live...) and you could probably find a 2011 MazdaSpeed3 like this: http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/…

FromTheBackSeat > FromTheBackSeat 10/12/2014 at 21:36

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So just saw your other post about overly attached gf, and saw your plate... so here's a revision fellow Canuck! http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Mazda/Mazdas… . Fits are good too - a friend of mine swears by his.